. >> it is self-defense. you have a guy who will steal every last job from you if they can. rick perry -- he is glad they are up here right now. while we are up here talking, he had his people on the phone to ohio and oklahoma stealing their jobs. >> we fish where the fish are. and generally speaking, i am spending a lot more time in california or illinois and new york than i am in oklahoma. >> we just beat him in football. [laughter] >> you know how to hurt a person, mary. >> but listen to talk to you about the pro-business environment and see what governor perry has been doing for over a decade. there was a great moment when mikael gorbachev was talking to the canadian prime mr. mulroney and gorbachev said don't lecture me on your capitalism and your nterprise. mulroney said i'm not going to lecture you. do you think i want competition? that sort of competition, you don't care if you -- you don't care if california and jerry brown straighten it out. >> i want tell -- to be successful because they are so important to our country, but you're not going to be better, whether y